Tuesday, 26 Nov 2024

How Labour’s Emily Thornberry was accused of ‘establishment stitch-up’ by LBC’s Iain Dale

Ms Thornberry is hotly contested to be Jeremy Corbyn’s replacement as Labour leader, as his approval rating has sunk to the lowest of any opposition leader since records began in 1977. She is currently the shadow Foreign Secretary and supported Labour’s decision to call for a ‘Final Say’ referendum at the party’s conference earlier this week. She also turned up wearing an outfit designed to look like the EU flag.

In May this year, the MP discussed the issue with LBC presenter Iain Dale, and said the referendum would essentially be asking the electorate: “This is what the Government has been able to cobble together – do you want it or don’t you want it?”

Mr Dale argued: “How does a second referendum solve anything?”

Ms Thornberry said there were lies in the campaign prior to the 2016 referendum, so Brexit could become an “establishment stitch-up” unless it is taken back to the people.

At which point, Mr Dale pointed out leaving ‘no deal’ off the ballot paper, as Labour are intending, would be an “establishment stitch-up” itself.

Ms Thornberry just said that would be “frankly disastrous” and not what Leave voters wanted when they first voted in the referendum.

The LBC presenter remarked: “Then you make that argument in a referendum campaign.

“[But] you won’t go for it because you know you’ll lose it that’s the problem, isn’t it?”

Ms Thornberry said: “I won’t make it because I have a certain responsibility to our country.”

Mr Dale said: “You know people don’t like the deal. So if you have remain versus the deal, we all know that would be a bit of a rigged referendum. You need to have no deal on the ballot surely.”

She continued to refuse to put no deal on the hypothetical ballot paper.

Mr Dale argued: “What you’re saying, Emily, is that you know better than the 17.4 million people who voted to leave the EU.

“And that’s why people are going to Nigel Farage, because they don’t like politicians like you talking down to them.”

She then mentioned the 48 percent who voted Remain, and said “it’s only right for us to reflect that – we leave but we don’t go far”.

Mr Dale remarked: “[So] we stay in by 48 percent?”

The shadow Foreign Secretary explained: “That is how you try and keep the country together. That is the way we have been proceeding and that is what we have been trying to achieve. 

“But we haven’t been in government so it has been very difficult for the Labour Party to deliver in the way that we would want to.”

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She also said the party would want to extend the Brexit deadline beyond October 31 in order to execute the referendum, and said that was necessary because “how do we get any progress otherwise?”

There is a chance Labour may soon get into office, as Tory Prime Minister Boris Johnson has tried to get the opposition to agree to a snap general election so he can strengthen his majority in Parliament.

However, the opposition parties – Labour, the SNP and the Liberal Democrats – have all rejected this motion in the House of Commons, claiming they want to wait until after the EU Summit in October.

Mr Johnson also suspended Parliament earlier this month in an attempt to focus on his “very exciting” domestic agenda, while his critiques said it was an abuse of power to try to get his Brexit decisions through without scrutiny from the MPs.

The Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday that the said suspension was unlawful, so MPs returned to Parliament later that day and the House was whipped into a frenzy once again over Brexit.

The BBC’s Europe editor Katya Adler said today: “[The EU] can smell a Brexit extension coming.”

Mr Johnson on the other hand has repeatedly reiterated that he will get the UK out of the EU by October 31, the Brexit deadline.

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