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Kara’s conversation with Georgia’s Secretary of State was a doozy. She called up Times White House correspondent Maggie Haberman to discuss.

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This episode of “Sway” was produced by Nayeema Raza, Heba Elorbany, Matt Kwong and Vishakha Darbha and edited by Paula Szuchman; fact-checking by Kate Sinclair; music and sound design by Isaac Jones; mixing by Erick Gomez. Special thanks to Renan Borelli, Liriel Higa and Kathy Tu.

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